Science and Religious thinking
BackI discuss science and religious thinking.
Channel: Howto & Style
Uploaded: April 5, 2007 at 9:04 am
Author: neotropic9
Length: 00:07:14
Rating: 4.78
Views: 854
Tags: philosophy atheist freethought freethinker atheism religion evolution Christian science god intelligence debate faith
Video Comments:
L4EV (August 27, 2008 at 12:17 pm)
I actually heard that it was 73% of college graduates who believe in God.
hgejjeg (February 18, 2008 at 5:08 pm)
Have you ever heard about Ayahuasca? And if yes, would you consider it as evidence of other planes of consciousnes?
Jakemmx (February 18, 2008 at 6:28 pm)
I think your mind can fabricate impressive experiences, expecially when you are on drugs (which have direct chemical mechanisms). You can call it another plane of consciousnes if you want, but I still believe the whole experience to be local to the brain and our physical senses. I really don't think there is reason to suggest that it requires 'consciousness outside of the body', nor does it begin to prove it.
hgejjeg (February 19, 2008 at 4:08 am)
I never tried it myself, but I would consider them as suggestive evidence. The fact that they are chemical induced does bot suggest that they aren't real. In any case, if we have to doubt our sensual experience, we should start from everyday immediate experience, as the way we percieve the world does not correspond to their Real appearance. The role of pyschadelics is to enhance our perception, that's all. And again, Consciousness is everywhere. It is all there is, including matter.
hgejjeg (February 18, 2008 at 12:50 pm)
The natural is supernatural, and the supernatural is natural, as Universal Consciousness pervades everything. I conceive the universe as nondual, in a pantheistic sense perhaps. I don't find much use for artificial dichotomies such as natural/supernatural or Divine/human. The Universe is just inseparably ONE; but is manifested in many seemingly disconnected phenomena, and hence the existence of plurality and diversity. And this is way beyond traditional science, my friend.
ruffomaldito (February 18, 2008 at 1:32 pm)
You may be right, my friend. However, I´d like to know how you apply, in a practical way, your pantheistic conceptions to daily life.
The term "supernatural" is used only for something natural, but that is presently beyond our comprehension, though not necessarily beyond our reach.
The term "supernatural" is used only for something natural, but that is presently beyond our comprehension, though not necessarily beyond our reach.
hgejjeg (February 18, 2008 at 1:53 pm)
The faculties of the mind are not only thought, but intuition, meditation, contemplation and awareness. If you restrict yourself to mere circular thought, you'd be limiting yourself. Most of our art would have never been created if the mind was really just thought. One cannot perceive the true nature of things unless he stills the mind and cherishes silence. That said, the fact that this universe is inherently intelligent is self-evident.
hgejjeg (February 18, 2008 at 1:54 pm)
As Blake wrote, "when the doors of perception are cleansed, man will see things as they truly are, infinite, as man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern."
ruffomaldito (February 18, 2008 at 4:50 pm)
I buy all of that. Sounds just fine. But you´re not addressing the vid´s issue. Is religion´s essence necessarily faith without reason? Is there no evidence for religious claims? Are statitistics really dependable? Are atheists on the right track?
hgejjeg (February 18, 2008 at 5:00 pm)
Is religion´s essence necessarily faith without reason? - Depends on which level of religion you're talking about. The key is self-realization and elevation of Spirit. - Is there no evidence for religious claims? Yes, notably in Occult Sciences. Are atheists on the right track? Yes, but only partially so.