Predestination
BackTheVineRhyme addresses the subject of "predestination" and explains the scriptural errors in such a doctrine.
Channel: People & Blogs
Uploaded: May 21, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Author: thevinerhyme
Length: 00:09:59
Rating: 4.06
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Tags: Predestination Christian Bible Salvation Redemption God Doctrine Devils False Teachers Wolves Sheep Clothing
Video Comments:
WarrantedFaith (October 25, 2008 at 4:02 pm)
What? God does not predestine people to hell, not in the sense that He is responsible for sin. Man is sinful by nature. Thus man hates God by nature and is already heading to hell, by nature. But Got freely chooses to gracefully save those whom He wishes, not because of anything in them, but for His own purposes.
JaneyLife20 (October 25, 2008 at 9:26 pm)
you make God sound like the holder of a cosmic lottery, that is evil, unbiblical and you make God look imperfect. It is God's will for all the be saved. Jesus is knocking at the door but it is up to us to let him in.
According to you God made some people specificly to go to hell without them being able to do anything about it.
Read Ezekiel 18:32
God is perfect love. In calvinism God is not love at all. Predestination is a demonic doctorine.
According to you God made some people specificly to go to hell without them being able to do anything about it.
Read Ezekiel 18:32
God is perfect love. In calvinism God is not love at all. Predestination is a demonic doctorine.
WarrantedFaith (October 25, 2008 at 10:27 pm)
See Rev. 3:22. Jesus knocking on the door is not talking about the door of our hearts; it's talking about the church.
The God I preach is the God of the Bible. If you disagree, you're welcome to send me a message with your Scriptural support. But assertions alone aren't going to justify your position. If you do send a response I suggest reading up on Reformed Theology first to get a basic understanding of what Calvinists believe. Or I'd be happy to answer questions when I get the time.
The God I preach is the God of the Bible. If you disagree, you're welcome to send me a message with your Scriptural support. But assertions alone aren't going to justify your position. If you do send a response I suggest reading up on Reformed Theology first to get a basic understanding of what Calvinists believe. Or I'd be happy to answer questions when I get the time.
WarrantedFaith (October 25, 2008 at 10:31 pm)
And about Ezekiel 18:32, the doctrine of Predestination in no way teaches that God takes pleasure in the death of anyone. Like I said, you should check the facts before proposing objections.
JaneyLife20 (October 25, 2008 at 10:34 pm)
I'll watch the links. I sincerely HOPE that I misunderstand it. Because anyone who teaches that God is unwilling to save everyone is teaching an imperfect, unloving and wicked God.
But I'll watch the links first
But I'll watch the links first
winecheesery (November 3, 2008 at 11:45 pm)
So ultimately, when it comes to the very end, it's up to man to choose if he gets saved or not. Is that what you're saying, JaneyLife20? If you are, then you are saying man saves himself. That is unbiblical. So it's not Christ alone that saves, even though the bible teaches that? Now that's a demonic doctrine - man thinking he can save himself.
JaneyLife20 (October 25, 2008 at 9:28 pm)
you are telling me that God created people without any way to avoid hell?
This verse relates perfectly to the demonic doctorine of predestination: Galatians 1:8
This verse relates perfectly to the demonic doctorine of predestination: Galatians 1:8
WarrantedFaith (October 25, 2008 at 10:22 pm)
"you are telling me that God created people without any way to avoid hell? "
When did I say that? God created man in His image. Man fell, and now man is naturally dead in sin.
And you must not be very well studied in church history because predestination is a historical doctrine once nearly universally accepted by the church. Perhaps the reason you think it's demonic is because you misunderstand what it is because you probably haven't taken the time to look into it.
When did I say that? God created man in His image. Man fell, and now man is naturally dead in sin.
And you must not be very well studied in church history because predestination is a historical doctrine once nearly universally accepted by the church. Perhaps the reason you think it's demonic is because you misunderstand what it is because you probably haven't taken the time to look into it.
WarrantedFaith (October 25, 2008 at 10:23 pm)
I recommend these videos to start with. Also take a look at the rest of Lane's channel; a lot of good stuff there - you'll probably find answers to just about anything you'll try to respond with.
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The words elect, chosen, predestined are for the purpose of blessings not salvation.
Wasnt Judas "chosen" as an apostle? but Judas's heart was not with Jesus.