5.1 Asatru Today: Tribal, Folkish: Freehold-TV
BackWorship of Nordic deities is the broadest category in any survey of modern Germanic paganism, or Heathenism. Whether a modern practice or belief bears any resemblance to historical Germanic culture is a crucial question.
Often misunderstood, the ethnocentric, or Folkish, approach to modern Nordic Heathenism is examined. Folkish Heathenism is not racist, but honours the uniqueness of each and every tribal culture.
Ancestor-centred religions are matters of inheritance. Exactly how you honour your ancestors depends on who those ancestors happen to be.
5.2 Asatru Today: Universalism, Tribalism: Freehold-TV (8:38)
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Uploaded: May 8, 2008 at 12:38 am
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Tags: asatru heathen pagan odinism folkish nordic germanic troth religion tribal ancestor indigenous europe
Video Comments:
tonycoyote (October 19, 2008 at 3:28 pm)
It isn't insulting, it is fact. Old Norse is a GERMANIC LANGUAGE! Don't get mad at me for how historical linguists classify language groups, dude. Second, I will explain again that speaking a Germanic language does not make one culturally or ethnically Germanic. The linguistic classification gets used to refer to ANCIENT CULTURES of tribes that existed during a PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD! Norse=/=Nordic and German=/=Germanic. Norse=Ancient Norwegians who spoke Old Norse.
tonycoyote (October 19, 2008 at 3:30 pm)
German=pertaining to the particular nation of Germany. Nordic=General term used for the entire Germanic branch. Same thing with Germanic and Teutonic. The teutons were a specific tribe, but their name was later used as a general term (erroneously). Language changes over time, tard.
malakhhatzadik (October 20, 2008 at 1:37 pm)
Whatever. I tried to reasons with you. If you can't figure out that Teutonic applies only to the descendants of the Teutons, and Nordic to the descendants of the Norse, then you are so fucking stupid that you make the Odinists look good. Have a nice day idiot.
tonycoyote (October 20, 2008 at 2:05 pm)
I'm not talking about MODERN PEOPLE!! I'm talking about the way the classifications are used in academia when talking about the ANCIENT TRIBES! I've tried to explain this to you THREE TIMES! Secondly, how the hel are you going to determine who today is descended specifically from Teutons and who are descended specifically from the Norse? Are you in possession of genealogical records that these tribes wrote down? Because I highly doubt that. And you're calling ME stupid?
tonycoyote (October 20, 2008 at 2:08 pm)
How am I the stupid one when you are the on who doesn't even seem to READ CRITICALLY what I'm writing before you get all hissy. Actually, I'm confused as to what you're so pissed off about. It sounds like you think that broad classifications used to refer to the various Germanic tribes are somehow disrespectful, which doesn't make sense. In academic sources it is sometimes necessary to refer to the entire group of related peoples.
tonycoyote (October 20, 2008 at 2:11 pm)
So in order to accommodate this need, scholars use the linguistic term as a broad indicator. This IN NO WAY is confusing one tribe with another, it is just a broad term used to speak of the tribes as a group. This term is "GERMANIC," if you don't like how this term has come to be used in scholarly literature, then tough shit. "Germanic" is the most correct, but in older sources they use "Teutonic" and/or "Nordic" the exact same way.
malakhhatzadik (October 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm)
You've tried to explain a fallacious argument three times in the face of a perfectly valid one, and you don't think I have sufficient cause to label you an idiot? riiight
How am I going to determine who is descended from the Teutons or the Norse? According to you they're the same anyway. Or have you forgotten what your original argument was? hahaha All you have to do is look at the genetic traits. Wow it's like I'm talking to a Jew. You just want to argue, don't even care if you're right.
How am I going to determine who is descended from the Teutons or the Norse? According to you they're the same anyway. Or have you forgotten what your original argument was? hahaha All you have to do is look at the genetic traits. Wow it's like I'm talking to a Jew. You just want to argue, don't even care if you're right.
tonycoyote (October 20, 2008 at 2:15 pm)
I never said that the Teutons are the same as the Norse. They are not the SAME, although they are RELATED. What I said is that the terms "Teutonic" and "Nordic" have commonly been used by scholars as a general term for the entire group of related Germanic peoples. However, the more proper term used now is "Germanic." The reason is because "Teutonic" DOES specifically refer to the Teutons and Romans began wrongly using it as a broad term and "Nordic" only means "northern" which is not...
HeathenGuy03 (November 23, 2008 at 6:56 pm)
Wow 'malakhhatzadik' You're an Idiot (and anti-semitic)!
TonyCoyote is right, and you are just not willing to see the truth.
You need to grow up and learn how to admit when you're wrong.
TonyCoyote is right, and you are just not willing to see the truth.
You need to grow up and learn how to admit when you're wrong.
Look man, if you want to be stupid and defend a stupid argument that's on you. All I'm asking is that you don't steal the Nordic identity and falsely associate it with the Germanic identity which may be similar but is NOT THE SAME. And don't do it under the false pretense of respect for that identity. It's insulting.